At 10.41 -0700 10/19/99, solenoid wrote:
quoted 13 lines On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, carl juarez wrote:>On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, carl juarez wrote:
>
>> >>absurd logical conclusion. Like
>> >>someone's comment that Kraftwerk are
>> >>"so stiff they're funky,"
>>
>> I've heard some live Holger Czukay (founding member, Can, Germany 1970s)
>> stuff that was just like that, real systematic and stiff but somehow you
>> can translate it into a real infectious body rhythm. Very odd.
>
>Hmm, I've always thought of "RAstakraut Pasta" on the Sky label (late
>70's Plank and Meobius?) as being like this, and just remembered that
>Czukay plays on some of those tracks!
He's got a good heartbeat shuffle -- perhaps the European equivalent of the
bass grooves of Parliament/Funkadelic. Likewise is _Zero Set_ by
(?)Mobius/Plank/Neumaier(?) though not quite so infectious as
Zazou/Bikaye/Cy1's _Noir et Blanc_, which was further humanized by Bikaye's
vocals.
quoted 6 lines This aspect you describe as "systematic and stiff [such that] you can>This aspect you describe as "systematic and stiff [such that] you can
>translate it into a real infectious body rhythm" hits a nerve for me for
>describing my fascination with drum machines, computerized-shuffle, tape
>loops, and electronic music in general...Any other music that anyone can
>recommend that is
>organic/live/acoustic that has this aspect?
Miles Davis' _On the Corner_. The cyclic bass is repetitive but breathes
also with a human beat. Rhythm instruments in isolation sound almost
mathematical in concept -- almost typewriter rhythms -- but it all comes
together into quite a groove that can last twenty minutes or more. (Why am
I talking like this?) And I second the Fela Kuti.
It's not inconceivable that some heavy metal and hardcore punk music would
also fit in this area. I recall a Voivod album . . . real chunky rhythms .
. .
Carl J